October 31, 2008

Marketers: Stay Away From Digg

NOTE: This post is old, and is probably on different subject matter than my current writing. It is possible the information is outdated or my opinions have changed. -- Josh Klein, May 28, 2012

Ignore the thousand articles you read before this one about using Digg.com to promote your website. They’re all wrong.

For those who aren’t familiar with Digg, here is a snippet from the about page:

Digg is a place for people to discover and share content from anywhere on the web. From the biggest online destinations to the most obscure blog, Digg surfaces the best stuff as voted on by our users. You won’t find editors at Digg.

That requires some translation. Here’s what it really means:

Digg is a place for 18-24 year old males to read about internet gossip. From the smallest local news rags to the wittiest satire websites, Digg surfaces the stuff most entertaining to our users as determined by our staff of editors.

I’m not trying to be a negative nancy — Digg can be entertaining and informative — but it has little to no value for directing attention to websites of substance, whether you’re a marketer or not.

I’m operating under a couple key assumptions. First, your website is not about liberal politics, internet piracy, or conspiracy theories. Second, you care about your website.

Here are 3 reasons to stay away from Digg:

1) Digg is not meant for websites of substance

Digg doesn’t try to deliver worthwhile content, just entertaining content. Think of it like the National Inquirer, not the New York Times. Don’t try to swim against the current just to get traffic from Digg, because chances are it will be unqualified.

More importantly, don’t dumb down your website; that’s a terrible strategy for anybody.

2) Digg users are in browse mode

Digg’s purpose is to be distracting. Digg users are in a state-of-mind that bounces them from page to page in search of a momentary sanctuary from whatever was previously occupying their attention. Unless your website’s purpose is “distract yourself here,” the value you provide will not be aligned with a Digg visitor’s expectations, and they will leave.

Again, visitors referred by Digg are highly unqualified because they’re not interesting in doing anything. It’d be like corralling a horde of anti-war protesters into an Army recruitment office; it doesn’t matter how many you can get, they’re not going to join.

3) Your time is better spent elsewhere

It’s not that you’re never going to get someone from Digg to take whatever action your website encourages, but the conversions are so low you should concentrate your efforts elsewhere. You’ll also save yourself the hassle of being outed as a marketing hack trying to pollute an extreme anti-commercialism social site.

Ah right, there is that.

Get real

Look, there are no shortcuts in promoting your website. Find the people who matter on forums and, you know, talk to them. Or take a step back and actually create a considered marketing strategy, including advertisements to the people actively searching for the product or service you provide.

And stay away from Digg.

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  • http://ausmedweb.blogspot.com/m Ben A

    Hi Josh

    Couldn't agree more. Too many people trying to game the system and not focusing on attracting a worthwhile audience.

    Cheers

  • http://ausmedweb.blogspot.com/m Ben A

    Hi Josh

    Couldn't agree more. Too many people trying to game the system and not focusing on attracting a worthwhile audience.

    Cheers

    • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

      Glad you agree, and thanks for stopping by. I just think the “gaming the system” is a funny thing to do, given how self-defeating it is!

  • http://www.LazyBlogging.com Codrut Turcanu Blog for Profit

    Yeah, you're right, I've tried Digg before and the bounce rate is pretty high, similar to Twitter one…

    You've exposed the truth… congratulations!

  • http://www.LazyBlogging.com Codrut Turcanu Blog for Profit

    Yeah, you're right, I've tried Digg before and the bounce rate is pretty high, similar to Twitter one…

    You've exposed the truth… congratulations!

    • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

      Ha, thanks :)

      My experience with Twitter is a bit different, as I keep (what I like to think is) a good signal to noise ratio. I'm not in it for the number of followers or the number of times I can drop a link to my blog, but as a “broadcast instant messenger” that just happens to also be public.

  • http://ravenseo.com Jon Henshaw

    Excellent points. In my opinion, Digg is great for dofollow links and traffic for building inbound links (assuming the content is compelling enough to bookmark and/or blog about). Otherwise, it's mainly noise without much chance of driving targeted traffic or creating conversions.

  • http://ravenseo.com Jon Henshaw

    Excellent points. In my opinion, Digg is great for dofollow links and traffic for building inbound links (assuming the content is compelling enough to bookmark and/or blog about). Otherwise, it's mainly noise without much chance of driving targeted traffic or creating conversions.

    • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

      You know Jon, the SEO perspective of a front-page Digg is something relatively new to me. I'm glad you bring it up, because I just recently was discussing the very same point with someone else. Do you have a personal story you can share about your own SEO boost from Digg? I'm curious if I'll need to rethink my extremely anti-Digg position :)

  • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

    You know Jon, the SEO perspective of a front-page Digg is something relatively new to me. I'm glad you bring it up, because I just recently was discussing the very same point with someone else. Do you have a personal story you can share about your own SEO boost from Digg? I'm curious if I'll need to rethink my extremely anti-Digg position :)

  • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

    Ha, thanks :)

    My experience with Twitter is a bit different, as I keep (what I like to think is) a good signal to noise ratio. I'm not in it for the number of followers or the number of times I can drop a link to my blog, but as a “broadcast instant messenger” that just happens to also be public.

  • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

    Glad you agree, and thanks for stopping by. I just think the “gaming the system” is a funny thing to do, given how self-defeating it is!

  • http://crudeoiltrader.blogspot.com Ray

    True, true, true……from a banned digger. And I followed all the rules.

  • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

    Do you know what you were banned for?

  • http://crudeoiltrader.blogspot.com Crude Oil Trader

    True, true, true……from a banned digger. And I followed all the rules.

    • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

      Do you know what you were banned for?

  • http://www.WorkFromHomeSmart.com Mike Witt

    Hi Josh,

    You have a very interesting view of Digg and I agree that at times, the types of things posted and promoted can be a little out in left field, confusing folks as to the benefit of what Digg could really bring.

    As a person who uses Digg fairly frequently, I would have to say that some of my best connections, visitors, and customers have come from Digg. It's the value in your submission that can generate the right traffic. Sometimes a Digg can show up on Google's first page for the right keywords you target, driving traffic to your submission and ultimately to your site.

    It also depends on the Mutual Friends you have created. There are many pockets of people who use Digg for the right reasons, once you connect with them, they become loyal followers and will begin to share your stuff through other methods as well, furthering the branding process.

    One other key point is a person's profile. I can't tell you how many hits I get to the links in my profile, many who turn into the right prospect for my business.

    I agree with several of your points, but for me, the Front Page is not the intent, it's finding those folks who use Digg for things other than that, people looking to build a true connection, sharing and responding to content that provides value.

    I appreciate your post, there is a lot of merit in your comments.

    Mike Witt

  • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

    I really think it is *marketers* who need to steer clear of Digg, not users in general. You're right that Digg can be a useful networking tool, though I'm not convinced it's as useful as if you spent your time networking through LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, or perhaps after work drinks :)

    I won't deny that some people I know have had a lot of success on Digg (you sound like one of them!) — but I don't think that justifies a new user trying to build up a profile on the site for marketing purposes. The ROI just isn't there (and if you don't care about ROI, you're not marketing … so go ahead and enjoy the site!)!

    Really appreciate your insightful comment, thanks.

  • http://www.WorkFromHomeSmart.com Mike Witt

    Hi Josh,

    You have a very interesting view of Digg and I agree that at times, the types of things posted and promoted can be a little out in left field, confusing folks as to the benefit of what Digg could really bring.

    As a person who uses Digg fairly frequently, I would have to say that some of my best connections, visitors, and customers have come from Digg. It's the value in your submission that can generate the right traffic. Sometimes a Digg can show up on Google's first page for the right keywords you target, driving traffic to your submission and ultimately to your site.

    It also depends on the Mutual Friends you have created. There are many pockets of people who use Digg for the right reasons, once you connect with them, they become loyal followers and will begin to share your stuff through other methods as well, furthering the branding process.

    One other key point is a person's profile. I can't tell you how many hits I get to the links in my profile, many who turn into the right prospect for my business.

    I agree with several of your points, but for me, the Front Page is not the intent, it's finding those folks who use Digg for things other than that, people looking to build a true connection, sharing and responding to content that provides value.

    I appreciate your post, there is a lot of merit in your comments.

    Mike Witt

    • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

      I really think it is *marketers* who need to steer clear of Digg, not users in general. You're right that Digg can be a useful networking tool, though I'm not convinced it's as useful as if you spent your time networking through LinkedIn, Twitter, Facebook, or perhaps after work drinks :)

      I won't deny that some people I know have had a lot of success on Digg (you sound like one of them!) — but I don't think that justifies a new user trying to build up a profile on the site for marketing purposes. The ROI just isn't there (and if you don't care about ROI, you're not marketing … so go ahead and enjoy the site)!

      Really appreciate your insightful comment, thanks.

  • http://www.ZaggedEdge.com @ZaggedEdge

    Josh, I think you are right on here. Trying to drive traffic by digging and shouting your stuff really doesn't do it for me. Sending stuff to people on StumbleUpon who you know will be interested is a totally different deal. SU is really a social thing, people meet on their and get married. Digg really just is a place where crazy stories get to the top–plus it's controlled by all the same “top diggers” anyway.
    –Matt Wilson

  • http://www.ZaggedEdge.com @ZaggedEdge

    Josh, I think you are right on here. Trying to drive traffic by digging and shouting your stuff really doesn't do it for me. Sending stuff to people on StumbleUpon who you know will be interested is a totally different deal. SU is really a social thing, people meet on their and get married. Digg really just is a place where crazy stories get to the top–plus it's controlled by all the same “top diggers” anyway.
    –Matt Wilson

    • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

      I agree Matt, and this is something we both should know a thing or two about since we send stuff directly to each other via StumbleUpon all the time. I'm pretty sure that's how I know you :)

      At some point I'll need to talk about StumbleUpon at length, but I agree that it is totally different than Digg — and there is a place there for marketers specifically because of how the site works and people behave. Thanks for bringing it up!

  • http://www.joshklein.net joshklein

    I agree Matt, and this is something we both should know a thing or two about since we send stuff directly to each other via StumbleUpon all the time. I'm pretty sure that's how I know you :)

    At some point I'll need to talk about StumbleUpon at length, but I agree that it is totally different than Digg — and there is a place there for marketers specifically because of how the site works and people behave. Thanks for bringing it up!